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jbelmont

California
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Posted - 10/31/2018 :  09:33:01 AM  Show Profile  Visit jbelmont's Homepage  Reply with Quote
123notary does not and cannot distinguish between individual notaries and signing companies on listings. Whether the company chosen is a signing company or individual notary does not affect quality.

If quality is a concern, it is best to hire an individual who is certified by 123notary and who has many reviews. With big signing companies you never know who you are going to get.

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Angela V

California
37 Posts

Posted - 10/24/2018 :  7:31:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit Angela V's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm trying to understand how this works Jeremy, and is it something new?

How does someone looking for a notary on 123 know that it is a "signing agency" they are calling and not an individual notary?

Wouldn't their use of these poor notaries being sent to your customers reflect poorly on 123 notaries, which is something you have shown concern about?

Please help me understand. Thanks.

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Originally posted by jbelmont

Signing companies get a cut of the pay. But, by hiring a signing service, you are ensuring that you get the worst sort of Notary. People who hire signing services want convenience, but don't care about quality.

Those who want a good notary or experienced notary hire directly from 123notary and can get someone who is certified or who has signed 5000 loans of all types and who is a seasoned pro. The user has the choice who they use and they choose according to their needs and preferences.

I suggest hiring directly and hiring experienced people who are reliable and who have a track record but I am not the boss of who people hire. If you are a quality notary, then signing services are not direct competition for you.





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jbelmont

California
2990 Posts

Posted - 09/10/2018 :  12:56:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit jbelmont's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Signing companies get a cut of the pay. But, by hiring a signing service, you are ensuring that you get the worst sort of Notary. People who hire signing services want convenience, but don't care about quality.

Those who want a good notary or experienced notary hire directly from 123notary and can get someone who is certified or who has signed 5000 loans of all types and who is a seasoned pro. The user has the choice who they use and they choose according to their needs and preferences.

I suggest hiring directly and hiring experienced people who are reliable and who have a track record but I am not the boss of who people hire. If you are a quality notary, then signing services are not direct competition for you.

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Lee-AR

Arkansas
611 Posts

Posted - 09/10/2018 :  02:54:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Equal? Maybe in the eyes of 123Notary, but not in reality. I'm sure you realize that signing services get a healthy cut of the fee title is willing to pay, while having none of the expense, liability, time involved in the actual work that the notary does.

Being conservative, an SS can assign 10 jobs in an hour, anywhere in the country and earn minimally $25 each or $250/hr., every hour, all day long (tho' most take a far larger cut, like half, with few actual expenses); whereas the notary has printing, travel, advertising, background check, to name a few expenses and hours more time involved, coming out of their 'way more limited service area' fee. The fact that one SS pleasantly surprises you by being willing AND ABLE to pay for 20 listings in highly competitive markets, so they can compete on a non-level playing field by stopping a notary from getting direct work--given the profits involved--should not surprise you as you've been there.

If you don't value your time and experience, nobody else will.
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jbelmont

California
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Posted - 09/09/2018 :  11:59:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit jbelmont's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Signing Companies also help you find a Notary... but, through them. They are paying customers and get equal rights. It is also a pleasant surprise to find someone who gladly pays for 20 listings while others complain about the price of 1. But, once again... you are all equals in the eye of the 123.

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Lee-AR

Arkansas
611 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2018 :  09:36:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kind of have to agree with Linda and Joe (who mentioned this earlier about an SS listing in CA). 123's home page doesn't say anything other than: (italics mine)

Welcome to 123notary.com

Make 123notary.com your guide to find a notary public, mobile notary, traveling notary, signing agent, or notary services in your area to get your documents notarized and get your notary jobs done. Our data is always current and listings are edited daily. If you are a mobile notary public or signing agent, 123notary.com provides highly effective online advertising for notaries. We also offer a wide variety of loan signing courses as well as two loan signing agent certification tests. Additionally, 123notary.com has a wealth of mobile notary public resource materials and books specific to your business needs as a mobile notary.


If you don't value your time and experience, nobody else will.
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LindaH

Florida
1753 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2018 :  04:19:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by jbelmont

All of you are signing services. You might be one person independent operator signing services as opposed to a big big signing service. But, how can I know the difference between a one person biz and a big biz and why should I differentiate just as long as the entity is paying? I am running a business here and the Washington entity pays us and appreciates our work.





Absolutely not Jeremy - the person I'm referring to has a "nationwide" signing service - and advertises as such on the website - and isn't it up to YOU to make sure that full signing services aren't pushing independent notaries aside?

This is a notary listing directory - at least that's what I always believed - and notaries sign up here (and pay good money, I might add) to get listings on your site in a position where they garner exposure for their businesses. To allow a nationwide signing service to list ahead of all the independent notaries does not do that - it directs business to the signing service - NOT the notaries. and that's just wrong; this "service" may have a database of notaries nationwide, but keep in mind they're also taking a portion of the fee that the particular notary is entitled to.

You want to let signing services to list, that's your business - but IMO they should be in a separate section - NOT ahead of all notaries. That's just diverting the business to the SS, and not helping the notary at all.

LindaH/FL
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jbelmont

California
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Posted - 09/07/2018 :  12:43:48 PM  Show Profile  Visit jbelmont's Homepage  Reply with Quote
All of you are signing services. You might be one person independent operator signing services as opposed to a big big signing service. But, how can I know the difference between a one person biz and a big biz and why should I differentiate just as long as the entity is paying? I am running a business here and the Washington entity pays us and appreciates our work.

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LindaH

Florida
1753 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2018 :  06:41:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a general question for Admin regarding the listing structure of this website.

I'd like to know why a signing service located in the state of Washington is allowed to buy first place position in various counties throughout the country (including my own state of Florida AND including my own home county) when they are not even located there. A *signing service* - and out-of-state signing service - taking first place listing - thereby knocking all notaries down a notch or two.

And I'm not the only one wondering about this...but I'm probably the only one with a mouth big enough to say something. Guess it's the old "see something say something". And I don't think it's fair that notaries should be wronged this way. This is a notary directory - NOT a signing service directory.



LindaH/FL
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